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Sep 13 11 8:59 AM

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Critique of the Doctrine of the Trinity:

The following Scriptures clearly reveal the Doctrine of the Trinity to be in error.

1. Beginning with: God is Spirit according to: Jn.1:18; Rom.1:20; 2 Cor.3:17-18; Col.1:15; 1 Tim.1:17; 1 Tim.6:16 Heb.11.27 and 1 Jn.4:12. That no one has ever seen Him and that He is invisible, are found in Jn.1:18; Rom.1:20; Col.1:15; 1 Tim.1:17; Heb.11:27 [Moses, Abraham and Jacob all saw the pre-incarnate Jesus, not God, the invisible Holy Spirit] and in 1 Jn.4:12.

2. God is Holy: God, who is Spirit according to the Scriptures, is also Holy, according to Lev.11:44-45; Lev.19:2; Ps.99:3; Ps.99:5 and 1 Pet.1:15-16.

Therefore, according to the Scriptures, there is no option to the fact, God is the Holy Spirit!

3. There was only one God throughout the entire OT according to Isa.43:10; 44:6 and 45:5. Which rules out Jesus being co-eternal with God, the Holy Spirit. The Scriptural description of his origin is addressed below. It can be described as Jesus auto-biography, written by king Solomon as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

4. The origin of the pre-incarnate Jesus, who did not become the only begotten Son of God, until much later, in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:32, 35, is found in Pr.8:22-36, which follows below: Confirming Ps.2:7; Ps.45:6-7; Ps.110:1 and Isa.7:14. Repeated when fulfilled in: Mt.1:23; Mt.22:44; Heb.1:5, 8-9.

* "The Lord brought me forth as the first of His works, before His deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, [Vs 22-24] NIV

* when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before He made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world." [Vs 24-26] NIV

* I was there when He set the heavens in place, when He marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when He established the clouds above and fixed securly the fountains of the deep, [Vs 27-28] NIV

* when He gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep His command, and when He marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at His side. I was filled with delight day after day, [Vs 29-30] NIV

* rejoicing always in His presence, rejoicing in His whole world and delighting in mankind. Now then my sons, listen to me; blessed are those who keep my ways. Listen to my instruction and be wise; do not ignore it. [Vs 30-33] NIV

* Blessed is the man who listens to me, watching daily at my doors, waiting at my doorway. For whoever finds me finds life and receives favor from the Lord. But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death." [Vs 34-36] NIV

That Jesus is the Wisdom [Power and knowledge] of God is made abundantly clear in 1 Cor.1:24 and Col.2:2-3

From the above, the Word of God clearly reveals the pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus Christ was created and is therefore not 'co-eternal' with the Spirit of God [The pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus did not become the Son of God/God the Son until in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35 as addressed below], as God stated clearly in Isa.43:10 and 44:6. The same passage of Scripture also clearly reveals there are two 'personages' involved, not just one. God, whom the Scriptures reveal is the Holy Spirit, and the pre-incarnate Spirit of Jesus Christ. In the KJV, is another example of the pre-incarnate Spirit of Jesus being created, comes from their translation of Pr.8:22, which reads as follows: "The Lord POSSESSED me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old." In a review of Gen.14:19 and 22, the term POSSESS in both verses means CREATOR, i.e., that God CREATED the heavens and the earth, as well as the pre-incarnated Spirit of Jesus Christ, confirming Col.1:15.

To further reinforce the Pr.8:22-36 passage, it can also be seen in Col.1:15, that Jesus is/was the FIRSTBORN over all creation. And in vs 18, is written that He was/is the FIRSTBORN from the dead. Let it be crystal clear, the term, 'FIRSTBORN' means exactly the same in both verses! It means FIRSTBORN, as a firstborn child in a family of multiple children, or if only one, as in Pr.8:22, He was brought forth as the first of YHWH's works, before anything else was created, before the world began.

Confirmed in Col.1:15: "He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN over all creation." As well as who the "us" is in Gen.1:26, 11:7; Jn.1:1-2 and 17:5.5. In vs 30 of the Pr.8 text is the following: NIV

"when He gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep His command, and when He marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at His side. I was filled with delight day after day," [Vs 29-30]  Confirming: Gen.1:26; Gen.14:7; Jn.1:1-3; Col.1:16-18 and in Heb.1:2.

The Holy Spirit is also the Father of Jesus according to Mt.1:20, Lk.1:35 and Acts 13:33.

6. The Holy Spirit, who is our One and Only God [Isa.43:10 and 44:6], not only stated He was the Father of Israel , in Dt.32:6, but also prophecied He was going to be the Father of a Son, in: 2 Sam.7:14; 1 Chr.17:13 and in Ps.2:7. Which was fulfilled in Mt.1:20, Lk.1:35 and Acts 13:33. Therefore, there is no option to the Scriptural fact: God, the Holy Spirit was/is the Father of Jesus Christ. And gave a body to the pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus, by the virgin Mary, Confirming Jn.1:14 and Heb.10:5.

7. The pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus then became the incarnate Son of God in Lk.1:35, and received His name, Jesus, in Lk.1:31. Literally, God the Son, fulfilling the prophecy of the Holy Spirit, in Ps.45:6-7, 110:1 and Isa.7:14. Empowered to give/baptize with the Holy Spirit, according to Mt.3:11; Mk.1:8; Lk.3:16; Jn.1:33 and Acts 2:1-3. To perform 36 miracles, of raising some from the dead, healing people with leprosy and other terminal illnesses as well as the blind and the deaf. Which no normal human being could ever do.

8. The title, "Father," given to God, the Holy Spirit, is nothing more than the very same title all men receive who produce children of their own! It does not constitute making God, who is the Holy Spirit, two persons through the use of His title as Father, trinitarians attempt to do! Which is the reason why Mt.28:19 is bogus, because it was obviously altered by unscrupulous scribes obsessed with belief in the doctrine of the Trinity. In addition 1 Jn.5:7 was a late Latin insert on, around the 11th or 12th centuries that never appeared in any of the earlier Greek manuscripts.

The altered Mt.28:19 and 1 Jn.5:7:The Scriptures reveal, God to be the Holy Spirit and the Father [His title] of Jesus Christ. Therefore the use of the term Father wih the Holy Spirit by trinitarians as two persons [together with the Son, as their truine formula] is in error, because the Father is the Holy Spirit, one person, not two! In addition to the fact: A. The Son did not exist in the OT. B. The pre-incarnate spirit who later became Jesus, was created, according to Pr.8:22-36, as documented above, and confirmed in Col.1:15 as the firstborn over all creation.

http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/mt2819.htm

Therefore, the Scriptures describe God to be the Holy Spirit and the Father of Jesus, one person, not two. In addition to the pre-incarnate spirit, who later became Jesus, was created, the firstborn over all creation, recorded in Col.1:15, confirming Pr.8:22-36. Who became the Son of God, literally God the Son when the Holy Spirit Fathered him by the virgin Mary in Mt.1:20 and Lk.1:35, two persons, not one.

See the following for the Scriptural description of God:

http://deeperwalk.lefora.com/topic/7939021/The-Biblical-Description-of-God#.U71fr_ldW1I

See the following for the origins of the trinity:http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/the%20origin%20of%20the%20trinity.htm

The Father and the Holy Spirit are One

The Lord Jesus Christ stated very clearly about the essence of the Deity, "God is Spirit." (Jn 4:24) Bearing this in mind and at the same time remembering that there is only "One Spirit" (Eph 4:4 and one God according to Isa.43:10 and 44:6), we shall come to the important truth that the Father and the Holy Spirit are one and the same Divine Person.

The one and only God is called "the Spirit of God" in the Old Testament (Gen. 1:1; Ex. 31:3, 35:31; Num. 24:2; 1 Sam. 11:6; Job 27:3, 33:4; Ezk. 11:4), and also in the New Testament (Mt. 3:16,12:28; Rom. 8:9,14, 15:19; 1 Cor. 2:41-,14, 3:16, 6:11, 7:40, 12:3; 2 Cor. 3:3).

God is called the "Holy Spirit" in the Old Testament (Psm. 51:11; Isa. 63:10-11); and of course He is known as the "Holy Spirit" ("Holy Ghost" in the King James Version) in the New Testament. (Mt. 1:18,19; Lk. 1:1 5; Jn. 14:26; 20:22; Acts 1:8; Rom. 5:5; 1 Cor. 2:16; Heb. 2:4; 1 Pet. 1:12)

The Spirit is called "the Holy Spirit of God" (Eph. 4:30) and also "the Spirit of your Father" (Mt. 10:20). The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. (Jn 15:26) Since there is only one Holy Spirit of God, who is the Father of us all; there can be no question about the Father and the Holy Spirit being the one and the same Divine Person. (Eph. 4:4-6; Jn 4:23-24)

During the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, this one and only Holy Spirit of God entered the womb of the virgin Mary to conceive the Child Jesus (Mt. 1:20-25; Lk. 1:30-35). The Lord Jesus has no human father. His only Father is God who is the Holy Spirit. If the Father and the Holy Spirit were two separate and distinct Persons as taught by trinitarians, then Jesus would have two Fathers, which cannot be true (Eph. 4:6). The truth is, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one and the same Divine Person who is in [produced] the Lord Jesus Christ. This would harmonize with His statement: "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father lives in me doing His work ." Which can only be in the form of the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus refers to as His Father. (Jn. 14:10-11)

The Lord Jesus Christ taught very clearly that the Holy Spirit is given by the Father. (Lk. 11:13; Jn 14:16,26) He had asked His disciples to wait for the "Promise of My Father" which is the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Lk. 24:49; Acts 1:4-8) During the Old Testament time God had promised to pour out His Spirit on His people. (Prov. 1:23; Isa. 44:3; Ezk. 36:26; Joel 2:28-29) After the Lord Jesus Christ's death, resurrection, ascension and glorification, the Holy Spirit was indeed poured out on the Disciples who had waited on Him (Jn 7:38-39, 14:28, 16:7; Acts 2:33). Surely those Disciples had received only one Spirit from the Father, who is also the Holy Spirit Himself. (Acts 2:4,16-18,33,38; Eph. 4:30)

[Edit by Quasar:
When the Holy Spirit produced Jesus by the virgin Mary, Jesus obtained a part of His Father, who is the Holy Spirit, according to the Scriptures, as He did of His mother, Mary, as confirmed in Jn.1:14. In Jn.16:7, Jesus said the Counselor would not come unless He went away. After He was crucified, He commended His Spirit to His Father [Who is the Holy Spirit, according to the Scriptures], recorded in Lk.23:46. Which signified His "going away" as He predicted in Jn.16:7.
In Jn.14:26 and in Jn.15:26, Jesus stated that His Father would send another Counselor, He then identified as being the Holy Spirit. The reason He identified the Holy Spirit as the Counselor, was to identify Him as His own Holy Spirit He had received from His Father when He was conceived. Therefore, the Scriptures reveal it was Jesus Holy Spirit the Father [Who is the Holy Spirit] sent to us at Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-3. Confirming the prediction of John the Baptist in Mt.3:11; Mk.1:8; Lk.3:16; Jn.1:33; Acts 2:1-3; 1 Jn.3:24 and 1 Jn.4:13.]

The Lord Jesus Christ explained, "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you." (Jn 14:20) This statement also harmonizes with the prayer of our Lord's, "That they all may be one; as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, . . . that they may be one, just as We are one; . . . I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one." (Jn. 17:21-23)

From: http://www.arkpw.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:fatherspiritone

Major problems with the Trinity:

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/MajorProblems.html


Quasar

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